Dipping over powder coating

norcalfrank

I searched, but didn't find my answer. If I have a powder coated tumbler, can I scuff the powder coat and dip to it then clear? I have a customer that is going to supply already powder coated tumblers. Thanks

looch

You will need to scuff and hit with a intercoat clear since the powdercoat will already be cured by the time you get them @norcalfrank .

norcalfrank

looch said:

You will need to scuff and hit with a intercoat clear since the powdercoat will already be cured by the time you get them @norcalfrank .

Thanks Looch

MidOhioHydrographics

I’ve heard of some people having success just scuffing and dipping Direct. It all depends on what type of powder was used in the process. Some brands may work, others may not.

gardnerddd

I don't know if this works, seen on one of the facebook groups. It said wipe down good with acetone and then dip to item.

smedlin

gardnerddd said:

I don't know if this works, seen on one of the facebook groups. It said wipe down good with acetone and then dip to item.

and it was immediately debunked.

norcalfrank

I guess I should try one for myself. I have 16 20oz tumblers to do. They are the Ozark Trails tumblers from Walmart. Also need to figure out a price. I usually get $50/each dipped for them when I supply the tumbler. I was thinking around $35/ea to do 16 tumblers if they supply the tumbler, and especially if I can scuff them and dip then clear. Would save some labor and paint.

gardnerddd

smedlin said:

gardnerddd said:

I don't know if this works, seen on one of the facebook groups. It said wipe down good with acetone and then dip to item.

and it was immediately debunked.

It depends, I actually powder coat and I have had acetone come into contact and it can alter the Powder coat. I have not intentionally rubbed acetone on PC and dipped to it though. Me personally I would sand the cup and maybe wipe down with acetone.

smedlin

norcalfrank said:

I guess I should try one for myself. I have 16 20oz tumblers to do. They are the Ozark Trails tumblers from Walmart. Also need to figure out a price. I usually get $50/each dipped for them when I supply the tumbler. I was thinking around $35/ea to do 16 tumblers if they supply the tumbler, and especially if I can scuff them and dip then clear. Would save some labor and paint.

The wife has put decals on several of those colored wall mart tumblers. Then clear coated them. All we did was scuff them really good with a red scotch pad. Have had no issues.

norcalfrank

smedlin said:

norcalfrank said:

I guess I should try one for myself. I have 16 20oz tumblers to do. They are the Ozark Trails tumblers from Walmart. Also need to figure out a price. I usually get $50/each dipped for them when I supply the tumbler. I was thinking around $35/ea to do 16 tumblers if they supply the tumbler, and especially if I can scuff them and dip then clear. Would save some labor and paint.

The wife has put decals on several of those colored wall mart tumblers. Then clear coated them. All we did was scuff them really good with a red scotch pad. Have had no issues.

Have you ever dipped on the powder coat?

looch

Another nail in the coffin for guys dipping cups 

WileECoyote

We said it 2 years ago... If you are trying to make a business off of dipping tumblers, you are already dead.

DeviousDips

Thing is nobody just wants a dipped cup. They want it customized to them. I wouldn't try building a business around it but I think they will be just fine

smedlin

norcalfrank said:

smedlin said:

norcalfrank said:

I guess I should try one for myself. I have 16 20oz tumblers to do. They are the Ozark Trails tumblers from Walmart. Also need to figure out a price. I usually get $50/each dipped for them when I supply the tumbler. I was thinking around $35/ea to do 16 tumblers if they supply the tumbler, and especially if I can scuff them and dip then clear. Would save some labor and paint.

The wife has put decals on several of those colored wall mart tumblers. Then clear coated them. All we did was scuff them really good with a red scotch pad. Have had no issues.

Have you ever dipped on the powder coat?

No, but as somebody said, scuff it and intercoat it.

I really don't see the dip sticking to straight powder coat once it's been cured and cleared.

DeviousDips

I've dipped to the powder coated cups using the method smedlin said. I just scuffed intercoat cleared with ohw and dipped. Came out great

norcalfrank

Looks like I talked him into stainless, so I'll just do my normal process on them. Thanks guys.

SingleAction52

WileECoyote said:

We said it 2 years ago... If you are trying to make a business off of dipping tumblers, you are already dead.

And yet it took two years..., I'll take anything for 2 years at a time, but then I just received a repeat order from a company for 125 more with their logo on it. Damn the luck!!
Agreed you won't do enough tumblers to sustain your business by themselves but custom tumblers are just one more thing to offer.

norcalfrank

SingleAction52 said:

WileECoyote said:

We said it 2 years ago... If you are trying to make a business off of dipping tumblers, you are already dead.

And yet it took two years..., I'll take anything for 2 years at a time, but then I just received a repeat order from a company for 125 more with their logo on it. Damn the luck!!
Agreed you won't do enough tumblers to sustain your business by themselves but custom tumblers are just one more thing to offer.

I typically charge $50 for a 1 tumbler order. But I have 16 to do and that is the most I have gotten ot one time. What might be a fair price to do them at that quantity. They will all be the same paint and film.

SingleAction52

@norcalfrank I think you're about right, but with the way the prices have been dropping on the tumblers, I now charge $35 for the hydrographics, extra if it's a special film or paint, and then the cost of the tumbler and logo, (if I supply it) plus 30% oh & p, which makes the 30 oz. tumbler orders come out to about $45 ea. You can now get the "Members Mark" tumblers from Sam's for about $5.50 each with tax when you buy 50 at a time. They look like the Yeti's but have no stamped name anywhere on them.
Remember..., doing more doesn't always equate to significant savings.

norcalfrank

Thanks @SingleAction52 I'll try and figure out a reasonable price for this order. It's my dentist, and he has really taken care of me in the past.

Redneckray

I have had good luck with the tumbler being Powercoated and scuff with lite gray 3M pad, dip it as usual and then I let it dry for about 2 hours then I coat it with clear Powdercoating and it works fine for me doing it this way, I use TigerDrylac powder and it makes a difference in Powder

norcalfrank

Ended up getting stainless tumblers and painting them. Thanks all!

tayman

Do you clear coat your finished cup and if so with what?

WileECoyote

@tayman if you want to protect your print, you need to clearcoat.

tayman

@WileECoyote can i just use a clear coat like KRYLON ? Is it safe to put your mouth on when you're drinking?

WileECoyote

Krylon can lift the print or cause it to wrinkle. Most paints are inert once cured... But no one will tell you they are safe. That's up to you and your customer. If it's a cup, just leave a stainless ring at the top.