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Super n00b tub questions

I haven't set up any type of system yet as I'm kind of in the brain storming part of what I want and/or need. I'm not going to be doing this full time. I want to do this to have fun, enjoy the art, and maybe make a few $$ on the side.

The first BIG question  is how important is the hot water? I've seen a couple of videos on YouTube saying it's not really a requirement although it does help in hydrating the film. But if I can skimp out on heating elements and cost without giving up quality.. why not?

Jets would be the next question. From what I can gather the jets are for circulating the warm water to the top (assuming right now that I have to use hot water) can't I just stir the water with a stick/paddle?? I know that sounds super redneck intuitive, but like I said before I won't be doing this everyday.

Last off is the sump/disposal tank where the water and unused film flow off the top side into what ever you have to put it into. Could you not just get a food strainer and scoop it out?

Right now I think getting a reinforced chemical tote and chopping the top off is going to be best but I want to hear what you guys have to say


Comments

  • ShannonShannon Posts: 163Member ✭✭✭
    Mate if your in the brainstorming part at the moment, best thing I can advise is that you go get proper training from some of the guys in this forum. That will do two things for you, firstly confirm you want to do this and secondly it will demonstrate what you’ll need in regards to set up.
  • DjbaldheadDjbaldhead Posts: 6Member
    edited June 1
    How can I train if I have nothing to train with?? I'm just trying to figure out if an easy and quick set up will work or if I'm going to set myself up for failure 
  • loochlooch Posts: 1,690Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Look at the forum sponsors for training they have from one to three day classes. It will show you to setup and if you can do it
  • DjbaldheadDjbaldhead Posts: 6Member
    Thanks looch
  • DeviousDipsDeviousDips Posts: 1,608Member ✭✭✭✭
    Also use the search bar and you will find alot of answers there
  • DjbaldheadDjbaldhead Posts: 6Member
    Yea I did that and looked around at some of the posts. I'm pretty sure you had listed some places in another thread. But the closest place I've found is about a 8-10 hour drive. For a professional place at least
  • TroubleTrouble Posts: 332Member ✭✭✭
    Look around there are a lot of good cheap set ups for sale. Search ebay craigslist facebook and the forums. I was going to build my own tank. I have all the skills and knowledge to do the electrical and have a welding machine in my shop. I had never seen a tank before so I didn't know what went where. A very smart guy on the forum steered me away by saying do you want to build tanks or do you want to dip? Well I wanted to dip so I found a guy going out of business and got a 4 ft tank and film that took me about 4 years to use up and I probably still have some of that film, I have also been to training twice both worth every penny. They will save you money in the long run. I also purchased just about every piece of equipment twice because I didn't listen and tried to do it cheap. Cheap and hydrographics don't go together even if its just for a hobby.
  • smedlinsmedlin Posts: 1,784Member, Business Ninja ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 1
    Trouble said:

    I have also been to training twice both worth every penny. They will save you money in the long run.

    ^^^ This right here.

    @Djbaldhead, Where about's are you from?

    The wife and I have been to two different training sessions. I could not have done this without that.

    Coming here is a good start though. I also don't think I could have done this without the advise of @K2Concepts , @MidOhioHydrographics ,and @WileECoyote (and others)

    If you have done any real research on dipping, you will have found it's NOT what youtube makes it out to be. You don't just toss an item in a tub and scoop out a spiffy dipped item.
    Trouble said:

    I also purchased just about every piece of equipment twice because I didn't listen and tried to do it cheap. Cheap and hydrographics don't go together even if its just for a hobby.

    ^^^ Again.. this right here.

    When I first started researching what I would need, I asked the same question almost everybody here ask...

    "If I'm just doing this as a hobby, what equipment do I need..:"



    The answer? There is no mid-level equipment. There is either really low end budget/beginner stuff, or higher end "full time shop" stuff. Nothing in between.

    If you buy the low level stuff, your going to have problems. As K2 is fond of saying.. if the low level stuff worked, we would all use it.

    And don't feel bad, your like the 100th person to ask those questions this year alone. I asked a lot of the same questions myself :)

    Anyways, my advise, if you REALLY wanna give this a go..and before you spend any money..read this forum. Read every post written in the past 12 months.

    And I am not kidding when I say that. I did the same thing. Doing so, you will learn the THEORY involved with almost all aspects of dipping.

    For instance, your not the first one to ask what the jets are for, or about water temp, or if you can just scoop out the film. It's a repeated question.

    (And you don't really have to read every thread. Some threads are just showing off pretty pictures and talking about how much Jim's mom charges. But other threads, are real knowledge. )

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    And...yes, you can dip in cold water. However, water temp plays a very large part in how long you have to hydrate a film. There are several reasons why we heat the water..consistent and repeatable process is one of them.

    The water jets don't go thru the entire tank. Just the very top. They push the top of the water over into the filter area. If flushes the tank. Circulating is a side affect.

    A strainer won't work. Once activated, the film turns in a true liquid. It would be like trying to strain vegetable oil out of water.
  • WileECoyoteWileECoyote Posts: 6,230Member, Moderator, Business Ninja El Moderator

    Yea I did that and looked around at some of the posts. I'm pretty sure you had listed some places in another thread. But the closest place I've found is about a 8-10 hour drive. For a professional place at least

    We have trained guys that had to travel over 24 hours. Its not a real common process, you are going to have to travel if you want it.
  • DjbaldheadDjbaldhead Posts: 6Member
    @smedlin I'm in the alabama/ Florida line on the gulf coast. 

    And no I haven't done a huge amount of research yet, I was just kind of taking it step by step. And really seeing what's actually a necessity and what's more for convenience. It seems like everyone hear is VERY knowledgeable about doing this, so this is where I want to put myself.

    @WileECoyote where are you set up?
  • TroubleTrouble Posts: 332Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 2
    There are a few places not far from you Big Brain is in Shreveport LA, Not terribly far from you and the Casino Hotel rates are fairly cheap. I highly recommend them. Also Liquid concepts is in Alexander AR also highly recommended. OHW is outside Atlanta , Haven't trained there however they have great paint and awesome customer service. TWN industries is down in Princeton Fl. I know a few guys that trained there and put out good work.
  • DjbaldheadDjbaldhead Posts: 6Member
    @Trouble ; =) that's awesome info princeton is close to my wife's family in hialeigha down in Miami. Might could persuade her into a small vacation haha
  • WileECoyoteWileECoyote Posts: 6,230Member, Moderator, Business Ninja El Moderator
    @Djbaldhead I am from Wisconsin. My partner and I have helped Jim at his remotes in Kansas and Ohio.
  • LibertymanLibertyman Posts: 944Member, Business Ninja ✭✭✭✭
    @Djbaldhead we're in Minnesota and have done the same as @WileECoyote, it comes with the territory. You'll have to drive or fly to get yourself the proper training it's well worth the cost and hassle to get there if you want to make a go of this
  • K2ConceptsK2Concepts Posts: 13,146Administrator El Jefe
    All the above...
  • NotSoFastNotSoFast Posts: 3,207Member, Moderator El Moderator

    Yea I did that and looked around at some of the posts. I'm pretty sure you had listed some places in another thread. But the closest place I've found is about a 8-10 hour drive. For a professional place at least

    In this business, that is a very short drive. I'd jump on it. We had to fly to Ohio from Louisiana for our training. Just because you don't plan to dip to support yourself doesn't mean it's not a business. All of your tools, materials and techniques will be exactly the same as professional dippers use.
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