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  • phantom3phantom3 Posts: 28Member
    It says free shipping i don't know how they manage that?
  • phantom3phantom3 Posts: 28Member

    just seen these for sale in my area
  • WileECoyoteWileECoyote Posts: 5,117Member, Moderator, Business Ninja El Moderator
    There is no such thing as free shipping. It's just included in the price that everyone pays up front. If a company actually gave you "free shipping" they would be out of business in a week. That includes Amazon and every other store on the internet.
  • smedlinsmedlin Posts: 764Member, Business Ninja ✭✭✭
    1) that link said they did not ship to the United States.

    2) Down the page some, it says "Only Transport to your country port , do not bear the cost of transport to the house"..
  • phantom3phantom3 Posts: 28Member
    smedlin said:

    1) that link said they did not ship to the United States.

    2) Down the page some, it says "Only Transport to your country port , do not bear the cost of transport to the house"..

    Yeah im in australia and i read that,,so transport from the country port which will more than likely be melbourne is no good for me
  • willie14228willie14228 Posts: 228Member ✭✭✭
    @phantom3 better read those labels that are stuck on the outside of those tanks!!!! some of them have held some pretty deadly crap that you do NOT want to be playing around with. I live and work near farmers and ranchers that will give me all of those I want and they look tempting but like I said they have held some chemicals that you do not want to be exposed to and even washing them out isn't a 100% thing.
    Also the plastic used gets brittle many of those tanks have set outside in the sun for extended amount of time and will break and cutting the top out of the tank causes the plastic to swell into the alum cage which is not designed to hold that kind of pressure
  • phantom3phantom3 Posts: 28Member

    @phantom3 better read those labels that are stuck on the outside of those tanks!!!! some of them have held some pretty deadly crap that you do NOT want to be playing around with. I live and work near farmers and ranchers that will give me all of those I want and they look tempting but like I said they have held some chemicals that you do not want to be exposed to and even washing them out isn't a 100% thing.
    Also the plastic used gets brittle many of those tanks have set outside in the sun for extended amount of time and will break and cutting the top out of the tank causes the plastic to swell into the alum cage which is not designed to hold that kind of pressure

    yeah the ones I'm looking at have held round up lol monsanto,,cancer here i come yeah your right i need another option
  • phantom3phantom3 Posts: 28Member
    this is hard people,,delivery for the chinese tanks from the port to my house will be astronomical, the chemical tank is a worry on a few points.,ok I'm thinking 6ft long would be ideal which is 181 cm width wise 90cm,,depth no idea haven't figured that out yet
  • willie14228willie14228 Posts: 228Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 19
    @phantom3 where do you live?.... Sorry just read you live in Australia how far are you from the port?
  • phantom3phantom3 Posts: 28Member
    i don't know i assume the point is in melbourne I'm an hour from adelaide south australia
  • willie14228willie14228 Posts: 228Member ✭✭✭
    Have it shipped to the port and pick it up yourself, Call the port and confirm what documents you would need. Send a message to the seller and find out what port it would ship to or if you can request what port it is to be shipped to. I don't know about Australia but in the U.S individuals go to the ports to pick up shipped items all the time.
    Just make sure to ask about any loading or escort and service and or custom inspection fees
  • K2ConceptsK2Concepts Posts: 11,642Administrator El Jefe
    Actually? You can't just go to the port and pick it up...you have to go to a holding house because of the agreement with the longshoremen's union...and then there are duty fees so stick another $1500 on top of the price just to get it to the clearing house....then you have to figure a way to get it to YOUR house...or shop...

    The $1500 should cover any documentation. You will need a company to fill out the forms and they will need a power of attorney and it will need to be signed and notarized by you.

    And on and on...ask me how I know?...
  • phantom3phantom3 Posts: 28Member
    sounds like a nightmare lol
  • willie14228willie14228 Posts: 228Member ✭✭✭
    I've never considered them being separate entity they are both thieves in my opinion. All the ports I have loaded at the clearing houses was located on the port property or within a few miles of it
  • K2ConceptsK2Concepts Posts: 11,642Administrator El Jefe
    Yea the clearing houses are usually within a couple miles...some further though... the last one I went to was about 20 miles inland...weird...
  • phantom3phantom3 Posts: 28Member
    ok I'm hearing a lot of comments on what not to do, can we get some comments on what i should do :)
  • MidOhioHydrographicsMidOhioHydrographics Posts: 8,105Member, Moderator, Business Ninja El Moderator
    @phantom3 it's difficult for us to make suggestions about what to do since 99% of us are in the USA. It's hard for us to know what will work best where you are. People have made tanks from the plastic totes you suggested, just make sure they don't contain something horrible for your health. And just be aware that often times you get what you pay for when it comes to inexpensive tanks. You can probably upgrade much of the tank to better quality components as they go bad, but that requires the knowledge to do so (and we don't know your exact skill set).
  • WileECoyoteWileECoyote Posts: 5,117Member, Moderator, Business Ninja El Moderator
    If this is a prime market for hydrographics, then why is this an issue? If no one is doing this in your area, and there is so much potential, then you will make whatever money you spend back in no time.

    So what SHOULD you do? Get an unbiased look at your market, and then buy whatever it takes to make a sellable product in your area. If everything you needed cost a million, but there is 2 million to be made you wouldn't be asking these questions.
  • phantom3phantom3 Posts: 28Member

    If this is a prime market for hydrographics, then why is this an issue? If no one is doing this in your area, and there is so much potential, then you will make whatever money you spend back in no time.

    So what SHOULD you do? Get an unbiased look at your market, and then buy whatever it takes to make a sellable product in your area. If everything you needed cost a million, but there is 2 million to be made you wouldn't be asking these questions.

    Every startup should start off small i have no clientele no contracts this is a fresh start up, do i believe i could make some serious money doing it? yeah but without a contract I'm not going to fork out a fortune ,,then on the other hand if i don't start dipping how am i going to get a contract, I'm in a position thats better than a lot of people in that i have over 100 grand in the bank, but i work seasonally and need a income things could be worse but could be a lot better,,just a little undecided which way to turn at the moment
  • loochlooch Posts: 1,390Member ✭✭✭✭
    I had 100 grand in the bank too before i started doing hydrographics lol
  • phantom3phantom3 Posts: 28Member
    lol I'm starting to get the feeling people who do hydrographics don't want other people to do hydrographics lol
  • phantom3phantom3 Posts: 28Member
    maybe i just bite the bullet and buy one of the aussie vendors tanks ?? any info on them anyone?
  • NotSoFastNotSoFast Posts: 2,816Member, Moderator El Moderator
    phantom3 said:

    lol I'm starting to get the feeling people who do hydrographics don't want other people to do hydrographics lol

    Not at all. It's just that we've seen hundreds of people, none of which had any local competitors, all lose their a$$es in this business. We try to give polite warnings not to repeat this, but no one seems to thing it applies to them, because they all see themselves as different from the previous guys for some reason. How many people started hamburger restaurants in the last 75 years? How many got rich off of them? 10%? That's a 90% failure rate. Everyone wants to be McDonald's, but there's only one. After Burger King and Wendy's, there's a BIG drop off to the next guy. The same applies to every business model.
  • MidOhioHydrographicsMidOhioHydrographics Posts: 8,105Member, Moderator, Business Ninja El Moderator
    phantom3 said:

    lol I'm starting to get the feeling people who do hydrographics don't want other people to do hydrographics lol

    No way! That's absolutely not the case on this forum! There are others I've talked to that feel like that, but if that were the case here? I have about 8,000 posts worth of wasted time and energy. Hell, I've invited well over 100 people over the years into my shop to train with Jim on my equipment, They are looking to start their own shops and are my direct competition! We simply don't want people making mistakes early on and shooting themselves in the foot before they even start the race. You can do as you please with whatever equipment you'd like! We aren't here to stop you and we aren't going to send the "dipping police" after anyone. We just try to steer you in the right direction from the start so that you'll be happy with your tools and equipment. It's a difficult process, and the guys like myself that have done it for many years professionally have seen the detriment caused by inferior equipment. Part of the reason that many responses are negative is that we are spoiled over here in the States! I admit it. Too many quality choices to look at. We are also pretty blunt when it comes to giving advice. What does a sugar coat do to help you in business? Not a thing. :smile:
  • WileECoyoteWileECoyote Posts: 5,117Member, Moderator, Business Ninja El Moderator
    I LOVE seeing people make money. I HATE seeing people lose money.

    In the 3+ years that I have contributed to this forum, I have seen HUNDREDS of guys fade away. Did they stop dipping and all their equipment is sitting there idle? I have no idea, but I know each one of them has spend a few thousand dollars that could have been spent in better ways.

    I am not trying to smash anyone's dreams, just trying to smack the projector so that it focuses again on reality.
  • LibertymanLibertyman Posts: 643Member ✭✭✭
    @phantom3, we bought a tank from liquid image (china built), it was around $2500 bucks back in 2012, sounds cheap right? Then add shipping from China, import fees, dock and port fees, then the possibility of customs troubles, and finally trucking costs, to your facility which costed us another $2800 bucks.. so 5300 out of pocket... the tank isn't bad, welds are good, doesn't leak...BUT,! The big difference is in the electronics, sub pair at best (ask me how I know)... the heating elements went out pretty quickly, had to order new ones, trouble with the pump, trouble with the breakers in the control panel...etc. it has got us by but if I'd do it all over again I'd buy US built. Just remember you get what you pay for..
    If you can live with the possibility of those types of failures along the way, then check into it more closely, make sure you work with a world wide shipper, as many don't have the experience in dealing with Chinese products and shipping details. But if I were you, I'd look to a home land builder, iam sure someone down there builds them. And as far as the guys on this forum....Well I can say enough good about them, we're a tight nit group, and most guys on here, are always willing to help guide you in the right direction.
  • willie14228willie14228 Posts: 228Member ✭✭✭
    @phantom3

    I always liked watching youtube vids of the down-under truck trains, one of the things that comes to mind is the fact that you folks have a lot of cattle they got to drink right?
    There has been some DIY tanks made from 6, 8, and 10 foot stock tanks that looked really good and wasn't a huge investment, the nice part of doing something like that is that you can move your power equipment from something like this over to your upgraded Purpose tank later on if you find your so inclined.
    Another resource on the livestock side is the liquid mineral lick tubs. Many are fiberglass 4'x4'x2.5 this could make a good starter rinse station or a 4 foot dip tank.
    Many of the guys including the pro's use 1 piece bathtub/showers as rinse stations. Check your local lumber yards for any scratch/damaged sale you can get one pretty cheap that way.
    I have friends that lives on islands and other codependent regions and understand the cost of some goods due to the shipping issues.


    Speaking of Which, one of my suggestion is to check your backend cost for supplies, there has been a lot of comments about how hard it is to get some of the paints and activators and the prices of what they can get in Australia. There are some recipes on youtube by a guy that lives in Australia for activator because its so expensive to buy it where he is I have no idea how well it works or anything.

    All I am saying is to not focus so much on the tanks and other equipment that you forget about your consumables.
    Believe it or not its those consumables that will make or break your business!!! This is even more important when you live in a region that is so dependent on outside resources.

    As to these guys not wanting you to start your business, Nah that's not it at all they just want you to keep you doing so fully informed on this.

    TRUST ME if they didn't want to help others get started this site wouldn't be here open to anyone. And Jim (@K2Concepts) wouldn't spend a huge junk of his time and money making those YouTube Videos (Even IF!!! its a good excuse to " have one for the Haters =) " And WE ALL KNOW it isn't his good looks that keeps everyone watching

    I personally don't think there is anything wrong with the DIY tanks as long as its properly planned and built and from the feed back I have gotten building my own, no one else does either. The biggest issue with the DIY is the slap together electrocution or house fire waiting to happen DIY that has been posted. I would say the key elements of building your own tank is
    1. It is Safe both to you and anyone who has no knowledge of it and walks up to it to look at it. that is to say everything is properly enclosed as it should be, All your electrical work is done properly
    2. Is large enough to fulfil your needs
    3. Is able to keep water at the proper working temp
    4. able to hold dams, rails, and filtration
    5. Is able to stand up to the test of whatever production range you are going to put it through
    Other elements that you need to try to fulfill if possible in your build is
    • It presents itself in a professional appearance, take the time to enclose your tank, your customers doesn't need to know what you are using for a dip tank, what they need to see is a shop set up in a professional manor.
    • It can be torn down or modified (upgraded), or repaired as needed
    Hope this helps
  • willie14228willie14228 Posts: 228Member ✭✭✭
    NotSoFast said:

    phantom3 said:

    lol I'm starting to get the feeling people who do hydrographics don't want other people to do hydrographics lol

    Not at all. It's just that we've seen hundreds of people, none of which had any local competitors, all lose their a$$es in this business. We try to give polite warnings not to repeat this, but no one seems to thing it applies to them, because they all see themselves as different from the previous guys for some reason. How many people started hamburger restaurants in the last 75 years? How many got rich off of them? 10%? That's a 90% failure rate. Everyone wants to be McDonald's, but there's only one. After Burger King and Wendy's, there's a BIG drop off to the next guy. The same applies to every business model.
    I really wish folks could see the McDonalds business model, My comments about consumables is part of that very thing.
    My wife is a store manager for one of the franchise stores and has also managed for corporate. The major factor for the success rate of their stores is the attention to details and the fact that they have it down to an actual science.
    They know for example the cost for every single item not only sold but down into the level of what the average consumption of items like ketchup is per customer.
    They calculate waste not only in physical consumables but also in labor for each and every store.
    They have an actual accredited college that teaches business management for the owners and storefront management for store managers and they are required to attend the collage and training events to be able to the certified to run the stores.

  • phantom3phantom3 Posts: 28Member
    good comments people i appreciate it, i have been looking at other businesses to start up and i keep coming back to this, i don't think other businesses will give me the satisfaction and feeling that this will, my missus said you have to spend money to make money so i have the green light I'm tight with money though
  • phantom3phantom3 Posts: 28Member
    ok so i spoke to a hydrographic guy near me, he went through the whole buying a tank from china thing,,,nothing but negatives he said advised me to build a tank
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